Verizon is NOT on my good side…..

My daughter recently turned 18 and she went down and got a pay by the month Verizon phone. She has not had a problem with it and was wanting to upgrade to a 2 year contract so she could have an iPhone.  We figured a valid driver’s license would be sufficient to open an account, after-all it is proof of ID and age, right?

A little backstory on my daughter, Shantel: she has been working at the same place since she was 15, has purchased 3 vehicles with her earnings from said job, she has paid us for her insurance since she was 16, she is paying for the college classes she is taking while still in high school and she is very money savvy.

She goes into the Verizon Wireless authorized retailer in our area and fills out all the required paperwork, after they run the information corporate headquarters (customer service) informs the local dealer that she must send in a copy of her driver’s license and her social security card as proof that she is 18.  Well I’m totally old school on social security cards and numbers.  I’m highly against them being used as a form of ID.  I sent her birth certificate with her as proof of age along with her license.  It was rejected by headquarters because it was not the SSN card!


(notice the ‘not for identification’ that use to be printed right on the cards?!)

I went on to the government page on social security  and as I already knew that social security numbers were never intended as a means of identity.  Here’s the reason it was created:

“The Social Security Act (Act of August 14, 1935) [H. R. 7260]

An act to provide for the general welfare by establishing a system of Federal old-age benefits, and by enabling the several States to make more adequate provision for aged persons, blind persons, dependent and crippled children, maternal and child welfare, public health, and the administration of their unemployment compensation laws; to establish a Social Security Board; to raise revenue; and for other purposes.” (the whole act is there to read, I’m not going to paste it here though.)

Basically it is for the government to know what you have paid into Social Security to provide for you in your old age and to provide for disabled persons.  Nowhere does it say this is a form of ID.

Another page on the site states this:

“The use of the Social Security number (SSN) has expanded significantly since its inception in 1936. Created merely to keep track of the earnings history of U.S. workers for Social Security entitlement and benefit computation purposes, it has come to be used as a nearly universal identifier. Assigned at birth, the SSN enables government agencies to identify individuals in their records and businesses to track an individual’s financial information. This article explores the history and meaning of the SSN and the Social Security card, as well as the Social Security Administration’s (SSA‘s) SSN master file, generally known as the Numident. The article also traces the historical expansion of SSN use and the steps SSA has taken to enhance SSN integrity.”

Later in the article is states that the thinking of the citizens has changed and people are not as willing to use the SSN as ID :

“December 2004, IRTPA legislation prohibited states from displaying the SSN on driver’s licenses or motor vehicle registrations. In 2007, the President’s Identity Theft Task Force (2007, 3) included among its SSN recommendations that “federal agencies should reduce the unnecessary use of SSNs, the most valuable commodity for an identity thief.”

On November 18, 2008, President George W. Bush issued EO 13478 rescinding the 1943 EO requiring all federal agencies to use the SSN as an identifier. Then in December, the FTC (2008) issued a plea to companies, schools, and other private entities to find better ways to authenticate identities than using the SSN. State and local entities have begun to delete SSNs on electronic versions of public records. Congress has also considered legislation that would require the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to use an alternative to the SSN as the Medicare claim number. Even SSA, which created the SSN for its program use, has ceased to print the full SSN on some of its correspondence with beneficiaries (Lockhart 2002). The agency now advises individuals to keep their Social Security card in a safe place and not to carry it with them (SSA 2007a).”

After reading these articles on the government’s site I accompanied my daughter back to the local store to try and enlighten Verizon Wireless in these matters.  The local guy contacted headquarters and then gave me the phone.  I gave the woman on the other end the ‘what-for’ and after informing me that the conversation was being recorded, then said she couldn’t talk to me because I wasn’t the one on the “contract” . I gave the phone to Shantel and she also told them that she would not be providing a copy of her SSN card as it is not a valid form of ID.  She then asked to speak to a manager or someone who could actually address the problem.  The woman gave her another 800 number to call and talk to them.  When she asked to just be transferred, she was told:  “I don’t have the authority to transfer you.”
After a few more words with the local guy about the stupidity of this requirement which is only for young adults, we left.

I then went to Verizon Wireless’s FaceBook page and left this:

It’s really quite insane that in order for an 18 yr old to have their own contract you require a faxed copy of a social security card! You do realize that SSN# is not meant for that, right? The purpose of SSN# is for tracking how much you’ve paid into social security, so that you can be properly compensated after your reach the age of retirement. You should check out the government site in reference to social security and see that it is not recommended that places use this number to identify a person as it sets one up for identity theft! The number itself is on the application, to require a physical copy is asinine!

Here is their reply (which I was happy to see they took me semi seriously.  I will post the comments as of now):

Verizon Wireless Hi Carrie, I apologize for any frustration with needing to provide the requested information. There is another option available. Please bring the needed information into one of our corporate stores. This way the information can be given without it being faxed in. Here’s a link to our store locator Ed

    • Carrie Flynn Keiser The problem is that showing a SSN card in no way proves you are 18. There’s no birthdate on it, no photo of the person. Willingly we provided a drivers license and a birth certificate as proof of age and the SS# was on the application. That should have covered the age issue. Thank you for responding.
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  • Carrie Flynn Keiser I’m not impressed with AT&T either as they gave Cody Keiser the
    amount he needed to make his account current and buy out the contract since he was leaving for 2 years. The amount was paid and the phone given to his grandpa. When grandpa tried to activate the phone, they were told an additional $250 needed to be paid!
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    • Verizon Wireless I can understand your point, Carrie. However, we still use the SSN information as a valid way to verify an account and information. I suggest going to a local store with all that you mentioned such. Presenting the driver’s license can go along with the SSN card that would match the name up and be considered a valid document. Ed
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  • Carrie Flynn Keiser Like I said the number was on the application. The birth certificate is a much more valid form of proving ID. As that is what is required for obtaining a valid drivers license or a passport. No state or government issuing ID requires PRESENTATION of the actual card. It is stated right on the card that it is not to be carried around. After looking at the government website and reading that legislation has been put thru stating states can no loner require the SSN on the licenses, I think you should re-think your ID policies. We also live no where near a corporate store.
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I also reposted the original post to my FaceBook page and asked people to like and share it.  I went one step farther and created a photo to go along with this post:

Warning to all the #responsible young adults, you too might run into a snag when wanting to get your own phone contract with #VerizonWireless. They have this crazy policy that requires a physical copy of your#sociasecuritycard as a second form of proof of age! WHAT?! even though you put your number on the contract and present your driver’s license as proof of your age, they will require a faxed copy of both sent to their home office. now if you want to vote, you can present your driver’s license or your birth certificate as proof of age, same if you’d like to get a passport, but heaven forbid you present them as proof of age to Verizon Wireless! Spread the word people! We’ve all heard how social media can be a great help, let’s help others who might be considering proving they are an adult ready for adult responsibilities!

 — with Shantel Keiser.

Photo: Warning to all the #responsible young adults, you too might run into a snag when wanting to get your own phone contract with #VerizonWireless.  They have this crazy policy that requires a physical copy of your #sociasecuritycard as a second form of proof of age!  WHAT?! even though you put your number on the contract and present your driver's license as proof of your age, they will require a faxed copy of both sent to their home office.  now if you want to vote, you can present your driver's license or your birth certificate as proof of age, same if you'd like to get a passport, but heaven forbid you present them as proof of age to Verizon Wireless!  Spread the word people!  We've all heard how social media can be a great help, let's help others who might be considering proving they are an adult ready for adult responsibilities!
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I would love for this to be a “wake-up” call for Verizon Wireless, for them to realize that what they are requiring of these young people is a misuse of the SSN card and pretty much not legal.  I would love for them to accept a birth certificate and driver’s license as forms of ID that prove age.  I would love for them to realize that they are not helping these young adults to grow and become responsible citizens of this country.  I want them to realize that if this is their policy then EVERY person wanting to sign a phone contract with them will also have to prove who they are with the same documents, or no dice!

Wake up Verizon Wireless! and any other company that thinks this is an acceptable ….. It’s NOT!


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Irish Dinner

Irish Soda Bread
2 cups flour
1 1/2 t baking powder
3/4 t baking soda
1 t salt
4 T sugar
1 1/2 t caraway seed (I never put this in)
3 T shortening cut into dry ingredients
1 cup buttermilk (about 1 T white vinegar or lemon juice in milk let sit a few mins. I added green food coloring to make mine green!)
2/3 cup raisins (sometimes I put these in, but most of the time I don’t)
Mix the dry ingredients in a large bowl, cut in the shortening, mix well, add the buttermilk mix well, add the raisins and turn out on floured surface. knead a little and shape into a round loaf, place on an greased (or parchment covered) baking sheet, cut tops 2/3 of the way thru in quarters, brush with melted butter and sprinkle with cinnamon sugar. Bake in a preheated 375 degree oven for 35-40 mins

Good-n-True Irish Stew
-Daren Flynn-
2 # chopped lamb
4 celery stalks
2 # potatoes halved (or cubed)
carrots (about 4 large ones or a handful of baby carrots)
1 # onions roughly chopped (big chunks)
salt, pepper to taste (I also added garlic)
2 T parsley flakes or fresh chopped
1/2 t caraway seed (i never put this in, I don’t like it)
about 4 quarts cold water
If your lamb has a lot of fat, you’re going to want to boil and skim it before adding the veggies. Place ingredients in a stock pot and cook on the stove 1 1/2- 2 hours or put in a crock pot and cook for 6 hours. taste and reseason as needed.


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Giant Fruit Muffins

Giant Fruit Muffins

Giant Fruit Muffins with Crumb Topping
yield: 12 Bake @375 for 20-26 mins

2 eggs
2 cups buttermilk (2 TBS white vinegar + milk to the 2 cup line)
1 cup oil
2 teaspoons vanilla
1 1/2 cups white sugar
4 teaspoons baking powder
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
4 cups flour
1 cup oats (I used quick oats)
1 1/2 to 3 cups fruit (I used about 1 1/2 cups chopped frozen strawberries and 1 cup frozen blue berries)
mix dry ingredients in large bowl. Add in the wet ingredients (I find a fork to work best). Gently fold in fruit with a spatula (I folded in all the strawberries and then filled 6 large lined muffin cups, then folded in the blue berries into the remainder of batter.) I lined my muffin tin with parchment paper that I formed by placing clean cups in. Crumb Topping:
1/2 cup sugar
1/3 cup flour
1 1/2 teaspoons cinnamon
1/2 cup butter (cut up)
mix until crumbly and top muffins.
Bake as directed (375 for 20-26 mins or until toothpick comes out clean).

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posting again…. :)

I’ve been terrible about getting weekly posts in so I’m going to try again, this year! 

First off the new year’s themes for 52 weeks of photos were:  week 1:  new year, week 2: snow and the combined 2 weeks: circle.



Rez enjoying his time out in the snow.  He loves to dig and play in the snow, as you can see by this shot!

New Year and Circle:IMG_3478mkd


There’s nothing techie cool about this shot, but the sun and cloud and cold created this neat circle in the sky for the new year.  Have to find a bright spot for the day as we headed out to do chores with friends in the balmy -15 add the windchill a tropical -51 is achieved!  

I’ve found this cool business that makes awesome boots that would look cool with my cloak or anything really! 



Here’s my cloak I made in October, modeled by my beautiful daughter, Savanna.  The place is called Gipsy Dharma.  They do giveaways, they are on FaceBook and they just joined Google Plus

Check out their cool boots and fun fairy type clothes!

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Socks and Shoes

Socks and Shoes

To all the manufactures of SOCKS everywhere:
Will you please show me the person who’s shoe size is: 6 to 12 or 4-10! Oh yeah, you can’t, because there is NO ONE who can comfortably wear a pair of socks that cover such huge size differences! I’ve been trying to purchase socks for my 9 yr old who wears a size 5 1/2- 6 shoe. (ya know a “big boy” or “young man” size) The shoe pictured is a 5 1/2 the nasty sock that is the one that needs replacing and that nice new sock is a 6-12 size When he tried it on and got his toes in just the right place, that heal was half way up his calf! What kid or grown person really wants to walk around with the heal of their sock half way up their calf? That’s attractive….. said no one EVER! I understand we are a “one size fits all” kid of society (well the sock business seems to be at least) but really, would you like to go buy a pair of pants sized this way? Let’s say you happen to be a waist size 30 and inseam 32, you don’t have to wear a pair of jeans sized 30-36 waist and inseam 30-34, do you? It’s ok cause you can just wear a belt and hem the end right?! Wrong! You just go buy the 30x 32 pants throw them on and be on your way. Not so with socks, you can’t get a pair of socks that fit unless you happen to actually be a size 12 or size 10, anywhere in between is just stuck wearing the heals of their socks half way up their calves!
Sincerely the Sock wearers of the world!
and this very frustrated mother of 6!

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Foto Story Friday #276– Sunset and Flash, #277–Dogs, #278– Shapes and Remembering, #279–Red and Sunrise/Sunset, #280–Cats and Nature’s Bounty

Yikes! I’m 5 weeks behind!  Love to have a really valid excuse, but I really don’t been busy with kids and lazy about getting on the computer and getting stuff done! Without further adieu, here are 5 weeks of my photo challenges:

#276– Sunset and Flash

IMG_2414mkd The other evening, while out doing chores with my friend, the sunset was just so amazing that I had to take a few moments and capture it.  Gotta love an Eastern Montana sky!


Here’s Rez, kicking it in the living room ya gotta use the flash with this guy or be outside with his dark coat, he’s hard to capture. He really wasn’t liking my taking his photo, he kept getting up and coming to sit by me! I let the kids pick their favorite photo for this post.

#277– Dogs and Sci-fi (only I’ve still got to figure out what to do for sci-fi)


Meet Rez, my daughter’s rescue pup.  We have had dogs off and on in the last 20 years, we had been off for several years, and the family had been asking for a dog and I was trying to not give in.  When we went to Canada for the draft horse show and a friend showed us a pic of her latest rescue pup.  Here’s his story:  Ronnie, the rescuer, was out on another rescue of a box of abandoned puppies found on the side of the freeway, on her way home she was passing through a reservation.  She found a dirty black puppy in a dumpster, called out to him and he came and jumped in her vehicle.  She took him home too.  After getting a bath and a visit to the vet, she was ready to advertise for a new home for Rez. (his name is because he was found on the rez!)  My daughter fell in love with his picture.  We stayed a couple of nights with them and Shantel reimbursed for the vet bills and we took the pup with us when we left.  He’s about 6 months old now and we kinda think he has some black lab and maybe German Shepard in him.  He’s a good dog, very friendly to people and other dogs.  He is more than loved in this home!  He is hating school tho, all his kids get up and leave him in the morning!

#278– Shapes and Remembering


This one was tough for me, I really didn’t know what I would do, then while at my in-laws I notices all her little nick-knacks and well all the shapes.  I tried a few others, but liked this one best.


My favorite comic books, ElfQuest.  I started reading these in grade school and I saved my hard earned money to buy them from Play It Again Sam in Missoula.  My collection has recently grown due to the high school library discarding a bunch that I had not read yet.  I also loved to draw the elves.  The last time I sat down to attempt to draw was in 2003 when I drew the big ones.

#279–Red and Sunrise/Sunset


School is back in session and that means sports are black too.  Fortunately, our school colors are red, black and white! Perfect for this weeks theme. My daughter’s volleyball jersey, Go Red Devils!


Last night’s sunset through the trees.

#280–Cats and Nature’s Bounty


I admit, I didn’t take this photo this week.  We don’t have a cat and I didn’t want to call someone and say:  “Hey, can I borrow your cat for a photo shoot?”  So, I took the easy way out and went to last year’s safari photos.  This cheetah was a recent new resident of a preserve we were on.  She was happily munching away on a zebra leg under the trees, when we pulled up and I got out of the truck to capture a few shots of her.  All the guys stayed in the safety of the truck and watched to see how I would react.  I felt relatively safe, there was a very tall chain link fence separating us after all.  She came out from under the trees just a hissing and growling at me.  I stood my ground and went to shooting, they guys were impressed that I didn’t even flinch when she raced towards me.  It wasn’t until after I returned to the truck that they told me all around where I stood was a cheetah preserve!


We didn’t get tons of apples this year, thanks to the squirrels and the wasps, so I was having a hard time figuring out what to do for this theme.  I then remembered that I had some canned fruit that would work. Here we have the fresh canned peaches and huckleberry jam from my mom and a jar of apple pie filling from our apple trees.

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Foto Story Friday #275– smokin’ hot and wind

I’m finally caught up and only a day behind posting on time!  I’m getting there! 🙂

This week’s themes are Smokin’ Hot:


She is becoming quite the beauty!

and wind:


We were crossing the river when I noticed the para-sailer I just had to go back and capture it for my wind photo.  I was a little worried with my super legal chauffeur (pictured above), but we got to the boat dock and I was able to take 5 shots before the sail hit the water!

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